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#45753 - 03/10/10 12:59 PM Climate Science resources.
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These are links that those with an honest interest in the science of climate change have found useful


Carbon cycle

Current over view

and another good basics

Net mass loss of glaciers is a significant indicator as the energies involved are shocking in scale.
Net mass loss in Greenland alone is 200cuKm annually and to put that in some is a if the world is carpet bominb Greenland with 4000+ Hiroshima nuclear weapons a DAY!!
1 million a year in thermal equivalent to melt that much ice.

a variety of sources - the Arctic Report is very multidisciplinary - I like analog signals - hard to fool the critters

This one gives you a real overview of the strong signals from biota and cryosphere

Getting started links and links to other info sources

Keeping up to date

How bad could it be...

Hans Joachim Schellnhuber, the director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research in Germany, said that if the*

Monaco declaration

MITs updated assessment

The stance of the vast majority of the climate science community made by one of their own

where do I stand?? agreement with this


Here is what Gammon had to say concerning links between humans and climate change.

This is like asking, ‘Is the moon round?’ or ‘Does smoking cause cancer?’ We’re at a point now where there is no responsible position stating that humans are not responsible for climate change. That is just not where the science is.…For a long time, for at least five years and probably 10 years, the international scientific community has been very clear.”

In case there is any doubt, Gammon went on:
This is not the balance-of-evidence argument for a civil lawsuit; this is the criminal standard, beyond a reasonable doubt We’ve been there for a long time and I think the media has really not presented that to the public.”

Dr. Richard H. Gammon
Professor of Chemistry and Oceanography*
Adjunct Professor Atmospheric Sciences, University of Washington

Links to Climate Change articles...115 pages from mainstream sources..

Here are the links to the threads from the dawkins science forum....all 115 pages of articles from main stream climate and science sources
From Nov 2006 to current

Most current 15 pages

previous thread 100 pages

and the fossil fuel companies knew this in the mid 90s..

Industry Ignored Its Scientists on Climate

Published: April 23, 2009

For more than a decade the Global Climate Coalition, a group representing industries with profits tied to fossil fuels, led an aggressive lobbying and public relations campaign against the idea that emissions of heat-trapping gases could lead to global warming.

“The role of greenhouse gases in climate change is not well understood,” the coalition said in a scientific “backgrounder” provided to lawmakers and journalists through the early 1990s, adding that “scientists differ” on the issue.

But a document filed in a federal lawsuit demonstrates that even as the coalition worked to sway opinion, its own scientific and technical experts were advising that the science backing the role of greenhouse gases in global warming could not be refuted.

Edited by Macdoc (04/24/10 09:31 AM)

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#47251 - 08/11/11 06:00 AM Re: Climate Science resources. [Re: Macdoc]
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thank you

#50325 - 11/29/12 05:40 PM Re: Climate Science resources. [Re: prid]
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#50331 - 11/29/12 06:34 PM Re: Climate Science resources. [Re: Macdoc]
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bad to worse

Talk is Sandy more expensive than Katrina. :boggled:

I wonder when the lawsuits will begin over C02 emissions the way they occurred with S02.

ack just found this

THU NOV 29, 2012 AT 02:26 PM PST
Jump in Sea Level Slams U.S. East Coast
byFishOutofWaterFollowforClimate Change SOS

Hurricane Sandy and a series of noreasters have combined with an apparently unprecedented one year jump in sea level to cause a wave of destruction on the U.S. east coast. The one year change from fall 2011 to fall 2012 is about 32mm which absolutely dwarfs the computed trend of 1.7 mm/year since 1992. The approximately 32mm jump is the largest in the satellite altimetry record which began in 1992. 32mm is 1 1/4 inches, not a huge absolute rise, but an unprecedented rise in just one year. These data have not yet been verified and published, they are "live" internet data from NOAA,

waiting on verification

1.25 inches in a year is unreal.....the US East coast will get a faster rise but damn.....that's a foot a decade.

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#50762 - 12/16/12 07:08 PM Re: Climate Science resources. [Re: Macdoc]
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Leaked IPCC report reaffirms dangerous climate change

* 16:59 14 December 2012 by Michael Marshall
* For similar stories, visit the Climate Change Topic Guide

A draft of a major report on climate change, due to be published next year, has been leaked online. Climate-sceptic bloggers have seized on it, claiming that it admits that much of global warming has been caused by the sun's variability, not by greenhouse gas emissions. In fact, the report says nothing of the kind.

The report in question is being produced by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which releases detailed assessments of climate science every few years. The last report came out in 2007, and the next is scheduled to be published, section by section, beginning in September 2013.

The report was leaked by Alec Rawls, who signed up to be an expert reviewer of the next report – something anyone can do. Rawls posted the latest draft of the report's first section on his website. It was swiftly picked up by bloggers critical of mainstream climate science, such as Anthony Watts of Watts Up With That and James Delingpole, who writes for the UK's Daily Telegraph newspaper.

Rawls highlights a paragraph on page 43 of chapter 7, which he calls "a killing admission that completely undercuts the main premise and the main conclusion of the full report, revealing the fundamental dishonesty of the whole".

Cosmic influence

The paragraph discusses the purported effects of galactic cosmic rays (GCR) on Earth's climate. We know that the sun's activity, or solar irradiance, varies on an 11-year cycle, and at its peak it can slightly raise global temperatures. GCRs could, in theory, amplify the effects of the solar cycle and lead to even more warming.

This is because GCRs, which can in theory trigger cloud formation that cools the planet, are deflected away from Earth when the sun is most active. In the late 1990s it was suggested that changes in the sun's brightness can have a significant influence on the climate once this GCR mechanism is taken into account.

Rawls highlights this sentence from the IPCC draft report: "The forcing from changes in total solar irradiance alone does not seem to account for these observations, implying the existence of an amplifying mechanism such as the hypothesized GCR-cloud link."

Essentially, this says that observed changes in the sun's brightness over the last century have been small, and that their apparent effects on Earth's climate have been larger than might be expected. Therefore, you might think that some other mechanism was amplifying the sun's effects – such as the aforementioned cosmic rays.

Rawls claims this means that the sun's effects on Earth's climate have been much larger than climate scientists have been prepared to admit, and that the sun could therefore be the reason for the warming Earth has experienced in the last century. He writes: "Once the evidence for enhanced solar forcing is taken into account we can have no confidence that natural forcing is small compared to anthropogenic forcing."

Wishful sceptics

Climate scientists are lining up to debunk this claim, and to explain that the bloggers have simply got it wrong. "They're misunderstanding, either deliberately or otherwise, what that sentence is meant to say," says solar expert Joanna Haigh of Imperial College London.

Haigh says that if Rawls had read a bit further, he would have realised that the report goes on to largely dismiss the evidence that cosmic rays have a significant effect. "They conclude there's very little evidence that it has any effect," she says.

In fact, the report summary reaffirms that humanity's greenhouse gas emissions are the main reason for rising temperatures. It goes on to detail the many harmful effects, from more frequent heatwaves to rising sea levels.
What the sun does

Haigh points out that the sun actually began dimming slightly in the mid-1980s, if we take an average over its 11-year cycle, so fewer GCRs should have been deflected from Earth and more Earth-cooling clouds should have formed. "If there were some way cosmic rays could be causing global climate change, it should have started getting colder after 1985." The last three decades have seen continuing warming, with the last decade the warmest on record.

Changes in the sun's brightness do have an important effect on the climate, but not in the way climate sceptics would like to think. The sun's brightness changes very little on human timescales, so the amount of heat Earth receives does not change much.

But the type of radiation the sun puts out changes more significantly, and this has complex effects on atmospheric circulation patterns like the jet streams. As a result, the sun has a significant effect on regional climates. Climatologists anxious to figure out how global warming will affect specific places, particularly Europe, must pay close attention to the sun (see The sun joins the climate club).

"The most interesting aspect of this little event is it reveals how deeply in denial the climate deniers are," says Steven Sherwood of the University of New South Wales in Sydney, Australia – one of the lead authors of the chapter in question. "If they can look at a short section of a report and walk away believing it says the opposite of what it actually says, and if this spin can be uncritically echoed by very influential blogs, imagine how wildly they are misinterpreting the scientific evidence."

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#51176 - 01/07/13 10:01 PM Re: Climate Science resources. [Re: Macdoc]
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Fucking Hell - Off the charts now 54 degrees !!!!!!

The range now extends to 54 degrees – well above the all-time record temperature of 50.7 degrees reached on January 2, 1960 at Oodnadatta Airport in South Australia – and, perhaps worringly, the forecast outlook is starting to deploy the new colours.

"The scale has just been increased today and I would anticipate it is because the forecast coming from the bureau's model is showing temperatures in excess of 50 degrees," David Jones, head of the bureau's climate monitoring and prediction unit, said.

While recent days have seen Australian temperature maps displaying maximums ranging from 40 degrees to 48 degrees - depicted in the colour scheme as burnt orange to black – both Sunday and Monday are now showing regions likely to hit 50 degrees or more, coloured purple.

Read more: Bureau Of Meteorology Weather Chart | Deep Purple



David Jones

Head of Climate Monitoring and Prediction Services at Australian Bureau of Meteorology

A total fire ban is in place across NSW and the ACT as temperatures soar.

Heatwaves like the one sweeping Australia today will become more common as the globe warms, with record high temperatures already outpacing record lows by a ratio of three to one, experts said today.

Temperatures are expected to climb past 40 degrees celsius across the country today, with authorities warning of extreme bushfire risk in NSW. Over 90 bushfires had broken out across that state by early this morning, the NSW Rural Fire Service said.

Australia had experienced six days in a row of average temperatures above 39 degrees and another two days were expected, the Bureau of Meteorology said. The previous long run of such high average temperatures was four days, set in 1973.

A long dry spell in inland Australia, fewer cold fronts and the delayed onset of the monsoon in the country’s north had helped create today’s conditions but “the other thing at play here is climate change,” said Dr David Jones, Head of Climate Monitoring and Prediction Services at the Australian Bureau of Meteorology.

“We know that inland Australia is a degree and a half hotter than it was 50 to 100 years ago. Every single day we have this background warming trend which effectively means the whole climate system operates on a higher base,” he said.

“If you look at maximum temperatures, we are now finding that the rate at which we get record high temperatures is three times faster than the rate at which we get record low temperature.”

In other words, he said, “for every record cold day we see, we get three record hot days.”

“The climate system is really strongly weighted over Australia now towards record heat… that’s quite a profound shift.”

Dr Jones said Australia “was now seeing record hot nights five times more frequently than record cold nights.”

The Bureau of Meteorology released a Special Climate Statement yesterday saying that for the last four months of 2012, “the average Australian maximum temperature was the highest on record with a national anomaly of +1.61 degrees celsius, slightly ahead of the previous record of 1.60 degrees celsius set in 2002 (national records go back to 1910).

As climate warms, heat waves outpace cold snaps three to one

and the denier crowd keep rattling on in their fantasy land....

I'll be sure to let the Aussies know they are imagining that things are getting warmer.
They keep records there...since 1910

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